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  • Published: 20 February 2019
  • The Right Opinion: How This Streamer Turned A Whole Community Against Her - Pokimane | TRO

    Now I’ve covered Twitch streamers, before, and I’ll cover Twitch streamers again, because they are a highly interesting set of people, and in spite of the fact that many of them are categorised by commentators, they are all at least somewhat distinguished in what they do. In a video last year I covered Zoie Burgher, someone whose rise to meteoric stardom was paired with an equally catastrophic fall, she was an absolute magnet of drama, and one of the more sexually suggestive characters out of that legion, but at the same time, she was her own individual character, she was banned off Twitch, and mainly gained infamy for antics on YouTube and subsequent drama. On the other hand we have female streamers, who may well be considered attractive by the audience, I mean, who doesn’t want to look their best on camera, but at the same time doesn’t necessarily seek to exploit that. And this is where we reach Pokimane.

    Pokimane is someone who is established on both YouTube and Twitch, with over two and a half million subscribers slash followers on each platform, that’s something which cannot be ignored, she does some gaming, she does some reaction based videos, but overall, as people go she’s not an individual who has received exceptional attention. This is fairly typical for most genres, with a fairly undemanding audience, much less demanding than the ones who watch critical commentators like myself. Most commentators also tend to have a list of people who are controversial and easy to make videos on, this is a rotating list of people, typically including Ricegum, the Pauls, Morgz, KSI, Deji, with a bit of variation between certain YouTubers, maybe you’re a bit more interested in people like Emma Chamberlain, maybe you like making thought pieces on who the next Content Cop is gonna be on or even if there will be a new Content Cop. What this means is that although people will be doing shady or at least debatable actions, if the public isn’t focusing on them then it’ll probably pass under the radar, and a lot of creators, including the person we’re going to discuss today have been sheltered from that sort of environment.

    However, as spoken about in the past, the alienation of drama, can often mean that when it eventually does confront one of these people, it means that they are way out of their depth with no idea of how to actually handle it, generally this has meant that in the history of Twitch Streamers vs Commentators, the Twitch Streamers tend to lose. Looking back to Pyrocynical vs Zoie Burgher, Pewdiepie vs Alinity, and yes, in both of those situations, it’s fairly reasonable to argue that you could side with Pyrocynical and Pewdiepie in the situations regardless of the outcome, but as much as the circumstance does comprise the drama, the handling, and presentation are equally important. Another real problem is how a lot of this drama can often be perceived, exposé videos have been monopolised recently by the commentary genre, and so attempting to make any sort of response to them, is the equivalent of going to play an away match, you’re entering someone else’s stadium, and you’ll be attracting their audience, even if you’re responding on your own channel. One of the problems with a lot of drama is that it always feels like an us vs them, you really are expected to side with one of the people involved, and often there is a clear moral high ground when it comes to the claims, but often when there isn’t we have to look a bit closer than many people choose to.

    The thing about drama, is that whatever yields from it can be assumed as some sort of moral standard, even though we often forget about the conclusions we make and just contradict ourselves in the future, I’m a man who does enjoy some sort of consistency, because whatever disputes occur do have reputational legacies, and it’s important that we’re holding people to account, but not unfairly singling them out because of some subconscious bias, so let’s talk about today’s situation.

    On the 28th of December, a very small YouTuber by the name of Fainted released a video called “The Dark Side of Pokimane”, in which he alleged, that while the public’s back was turned, Pokimane had done some pretty shady stuff, I’ll be breaking down the details in a moment, but like some of the infamous streamers in the past, some of the main claims were on the notion of copyright striking, or as many people now like to call it, “copystriking”, firstly in the incident of a series of uploaded Twitter clips on a feud between her and Keemstar, and secondly on a channel that reuploaded stream clips of her, known as DavCev. These are both fairly separate situations, but fell under the umbrella of criticism that Pokimane was facing down.

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  • The Right Opinion
    The Right Opinion   4 months back

    EDITING CREDITS BELOW: Hope this video will do for now, have a more ambitious one coming soon.
    ONE CORRECTION: DAVCEV IS NOT AN ADULT, HE IS 17, I DON'T THINK THAT CHANGES MY POINT THOUGH.
    Not entirely happy with how the audio came out in this video, which might mean it’s a tad off my preference for next couple videos. Also sorry if the filter on the third part is a bit strong, did ask the guy if he could change it but he’d deleted the files, don’t worry, he won’t be eating for a week. Also don't know why the visuals restart at around the 11 minute mark, please forgive me. I hope you enjoy the video nonetheless, had trouble coming to confident grips with the draft versions.

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    Part 1 References - Corticera

    Pokimane - Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/pokimane

    My Zoie Burgher video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmDKbXtTKCQ

    Pokimane YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/pokimane

    Zoie Burgher vs Pyrocynical: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EWyfcUjlI4

    Alinity vs Pewdiepie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V7lU6bFyro

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpJUeDT82Zs

    The Dark Side of Pokimane: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWn69uDRH-k

    Pokimane vs Keemstar video on Bowblax’s channel:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9qhlsHrA50

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3di34fA2h0

    DavCev: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po-ZCI-dlPg

    Pewdiepie - Stop doing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMuEeUyMfUo

    Pokimane’s response: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5AU0JJ2wlA

    Fainted’s response: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL8pcoYCek8

    Pewdiepie - Stop doing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMuEeUyMfUo

    Part 2 References - Kyle

    Pokimane vs Keemstar video on Bowblax’s channel:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9qhlsHrA50

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3di34fA2h0

    Pokimane’s response: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5AU0JJ2wlA

    Fainted’s response: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL8pcoYCek8

    Part 3 References - Void

    Pokimane’s Response: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5AU0JJ2wlA

    Fainted’s Response: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL8pcoYCek8

    Cyrus Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb2KUGE8Btw

    Comments that have the impression she’s taking down transformative videos (perhaps show over the clip immediately after the Cyrus one where she talks about how she doesn’t take down videos):

    https://gyazo.com/e065c52fffc32ec52119494fa170e929

    https://gyazo.com/6b4258013e2a09dd115ddbf891371ce7

    https://gyazo.com/9fdc3bc3c62c4688fb157a137719a96a

    https://gyazo.com/0aa237bd4f82b7928218fd93a2e98143

    https://gyazo.com/a57994fcffa7768f619705f4485f0ed6

    https://gyazo.com/ac6b16db0a224b87728da79ac51ff28c

    https://gyazo.com/fe2ebf2a68ee842565faa646a1e5ff4a

    https://gyazo.com/910dadea2b914010379eb4f3fb393a10

    https://gyazo.com/905d5e3e52a58e54254572c5d9a85606

    Part 4 References - Sir Cheeseknight

    The Dark Side of Pokimane: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWn69uDRH-k

    Pokimane’s response: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5AU0JJ2wlA

    Fainted’s response: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL8pcoYCek8

    Pokimane/Fainted Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJMthVfBn3g

    • Harley Mitchelly
      Harley Mitchelly  2 months back

      Old vid, I know, but you are good enough of a commentator that listening is the enjoyment in and of itself.

      I just realized that the case Keemstar may have been referencing involves a British channel by the name of Cassette Boy if I recall correctly. I've heard the name come up in a similar context because he was sued for copyright in the UK over his style of video, that being to cut up interviews and lines of one of the British Top Gear hosts and reassemble them with some picture changes. The courts ruled that to be fair use, despite the fact that Cassette Boy offered none of himself in any of his videos, it was all the host's words, just rearranged by Cassette Boy.

      Since you didn't know then, and I think I may have hit the nail on the head here, posting for your benefit.

    • wwebbuffett
      wwebbuffett  3 months back

      what city appears at 0:06 and what is the game at 0:38?

    • sswirllyy
      sswirllyy  3 months back

      *B E G O N E T H O T*

    • Saruhan Mete Gürbüz
      Saruhan Mete Gürbüz  3 months back

      At 24:51 your Youtube upload screen is in Turkish, lan yoksa?

    • Dylan 2772
      Dylan 2772  4 months back

      Hey, The Right Opinion. I really loved this video and watched the entire thing instead of eating breakfast. Your arguments are exceptionally well worded and I look forward to watching more of your content.

  • Legendary super Saiyan Broly

    I guess no one has the right to defend themselves then. And I thought the other people were the sjw's. She ain't hurting me or anyone else so I don't care. She's not entertaining or funny but she ain't a toxic so pokemons okay with me.

    • Taylor Brouwer
      Taylor Brouwer  1 days back

      Have you been playing persona 5 recently (noticed the music)

      • Joelfett
        Joelfett  2 days back

        This is what happens when we let females become you tubers

        • solarsailor
          solarsailor  3 days back

          This video feels so...empty, like wtf is even going on?

          • Rukia Tengoku
            Rukia Tengoku  3 days back

            Damn she is pretty tho

            • TO THE RANCH
              TO THE RANCH  3 days back

              *TO THE RANCH*

              • Andrew Wildeman
                Andrew Wildeman  4 days back

                TRO u are a argument wizard

                • Roxy Morton
                  Roxy Morton  4 days back

                  Gets out of seven hours of law classes
                  Decides to watch some non-law content to decompress
                  TURNS BACK INTO LAW

                  • Kursed One
                    Kursed One  4 days back

                    All your vids are criticism... Just like my comment. Your fuckin lame dude. I deserve all your views

                    • Doug Red
                      Doug Red  5 days back

                      U are nobody to judge morality.

                      • Caleb B
                        Caleb B  5 days back

                        What a self serving c*nt

                        • Rob Roblox
                          Rob Roblox  5 days back

                          I lost you by the 3 min mark.

                          • EnderTron 360
                            EnderTron 360  6 days back

                            your sprite kind of looks like Black Hat from Villainous

                            • Molly MG
                              Molly MG  6 days back

                              English plz..
                              Pretty plzzz

                              • Bananaboy 21
                                Bananaboy 21  6 days back

                                So you basically just copied someone’s video wow.

                                • bcfb21
                                  bcfb21  1 weeks back

                                  Seems like pewdiepie is transitioning into the dad of YouTube.

                                  • SuperStar GamesYT
                                    SuperStar GamesYT  1 weeks back

                                    This could be on Phoenix Wright

                                    • SuperStar GamesYT
                                      SuperStar GamesYT  1 weeks back

                                      Hope fainted does well

                                      • Shawn McLean
                                        Shawn McLean  1 weeks back

                                        I cant believe you guys find this crap interesting. Without 2 long poop breaks I never would have made it through the entire vid.

                                        • Angry deku
                                          Angry deku  1 weeks back

                                          Pokimane is a scummy fuck

                                          • Ivo Rocha
                                            Ivo Rocha  1 weeks back

                                            20:40 that meme deserves a like bro well done xD

                                            • Kody Stephens
                                              Kody Stephens  1 weeks back

                                              to much exposition

                                              • Syntheticbreed
                                                Syntheticbreed  1 weeks back

                                                So, I watched through this video and I'm really confused. What "whole community" did she turn against her? I don't know who pokimane is, nor do I really care, but you really only talked about a couple of other youtubers that had beef with her because of some stupid shit she pulled. Now, I was watching this while drinking my morning coffee, so I could have missed something, but it just feel like your title is blowing something out of proportion and bordering on click bait.

                                                • Kill switch
                                                  Kill switch  1 weeks back

                                                  she a thot

                                                  • Shay Coolican
                                                    Shay Coolican  2 weeks back

                                                    Wow I was so confused playing persona 5 while I watched this. Heating the same music from my TV coming out of my phone. Nice soundtrack choice though

                                                    • ゆい
                                                      ゆい  1 weeks back

                                                      Persona 5's Soundtrack is just so chill it fits everywhere.

                                                  • Richard Salzmann
                                                    Richard Salzmann  2 weeks back

                                                    Idc if girls are slutty and make money off it. Whats annoying is when they act that they get viewers cause of their "creative content" or skill when in reality they wouldnt get a single viewer with their cam turned off, like pokimane.

                                                    • Sky Castrum
                                                      Sky Castrum  2 weeks back

                                                      This sorta thing isn’t just an unfair fight due to one person being more used to it. When things come up near even, it’s offense advantage. Just a hint that the side throwing shade may have a point hurts the reputation of the other.

                                                      • Kevin Pedersen
                                                        Kevin Pedersen  2 weeks back

                                                        When you become a twitch thot rather than an engineer, you turn into pokimane.

                                                        • coolyco
                                                          coolyco  2 weeks back

                                                          I am so sad that so many nerds have ruined the word thot.

                                                      • Tom Petrov
                                                        Tom Petrov  2 weeks back

                                                        I disliked because Pokimane is a girl and you're basically picking on a girl. Not gentlemanly of yourself
                                                        *proceeds to yell at mom to make pizza rolls* if anyone wants to watch my videos here's one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h9xHgR_EVc

                                                        • eva liz
                                                          eva liz  2 weeks back

                                                          That persona bgm 😍👌

                                                          • elite reptilian
                                                            elite reptilian  2 weeks back

                                                            I had never even heard of any of the people on this video but, listened through the whole thing.. thats the power of proper articulaton right there..

                                                            • TornadoATP
                                                              TornadoATP  2 weeks back

                                                              The thing I kept thinking about the most about this video is how fucking cancerous the commentary community can be. For the most part it's just a bunch of parasites that feed off all the attention they get parading around public figures and letting people throw rotten tomatoes at those figures because they made a couple of mistakes handling a situation, which gets even worse when that kind of smearing is left on the internet permanently. People like that at 20:02 who just say the most vitriolic self-righteous bullshit with clickbaity as all hell videos are absolutely the worst and it's why I rarely if ever look at drama. Even "the good commentators" like Fainted sometimes delve into these ridiculously judgmental arguments, never understand that people can and will be self-interested, even good people. It makes me glad there are people out there like TRO and Content Cop who understand this and will actually dissect things discussed and not just whip up fans in a frenzy for as many clicks as they can.

                                                              • Anastasia Georgiou
                                                                Anastasia Georgiou  2 weeks back

                                                                i can't get over the persona music it's glorious

                                                                • Cheap Chinese Tech Review

                                                                  Iwai is my favourite confidant

                                                                  • B1 7G
                                                                    B1 7G  2 weeks back

                                                                    Ingorant

                                                                    • DONG MEISTER 69
                                                                      DONG MEISTER 69  2 weeks back

                                                                      Just heard the Persona 5 music. I love you man, keep up the great content

                                                                    • Araragi Koyomi
                                                                      Araragi Koyomi  2 weeks back

                                                                      "Have her facing down" my lewd mind thinks it as "I'd rather have her facing up or in a different kind of down with me ;) damn my kink is taking over lol"

                                                                      • Mr Ainsworth A Reformed Psycho

                                                                        The Right Opinion is *T H I C C* , BOII.

                                                                        • Herpy Depth
                                                                          Herpy Depth  2 weeks back

                                                                          This whole thing can be summed up in like five seconds but the content is just so enjoyable

                                                                          • The Night Jackal
                                                                            The Night Jackal  2 weeks back

                                                                            5:34
                                                                            I love it when Premiere does this

                                                                            • Carysmusics
                                                                              Carysmusics  2 weeks back

                                                                              My birthday is the 28th of Dec oh nobody cares ok I will go

                                                                            • James Skelton
                                                                              James Skelton  2 weeks back

                                                                              I have to say the monocle switching sides on your avatar bothers me far more than it really should

                                                                              • Sugefut Sugefut
                                                                                Sugefut Sugefut  2 weeks back

                                                                                I would wager coin that is not happening on purpose. Hard to keep the fecal matter off of you when you spend 37 mins ranting about some of the crap on youtube.

                                                                            • adorpheus unleashed
                                                                              adorpheus unleashed  3 weeks back

                                                                              The kitty getting a bath at 33:16 made my day

                                                                              • Cobalt- brawl stars and gacha life

                                                                                *SHE COPY STRIKED CYRUS?!*

                                                                              • Cobalt- brawl stars and gacha life

                                                                                Still like fainted

                                                                                • Tyler L
                                                                                  Tyler L  3 weeks back

                                                                                  i kinda want to play persona 5 now

                                                                                  • B. Free
                                                                                    B. Free  3 weeks back

                                                                                    I think TRO's been too nice about Pokemane, I think she's just thick. Not knowing any of the rules about Strikes when you've got 3 million subscribers then not being able to get herself out of this mess without help and still fucking it up. Yeah. Thick